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Yesterday, I went to a 5 p.m. Mass at the local Catholic church. It was sort of an experiment, see, in community and whether it might be useful to struggle with the faith of my youth a bit closer in than I've been in the last 20 years.

It started off well enough, with a fuller-than-expected parking lot and a lovely, light-filled sanctuary (though I think most of the "stained glass" windows might have been adhesive rather than old-school). The processional hymn was even in a waltzing rhythm, and echoed a lot of what I pray for in my own morning devotions. And then we had the readings and the Gospel, followed by the shortest sermon I've ever heard in my life, transcribed here as precisely as I can remember it.

Today, we're going to start off with a history lesson. Does anybody know who the first group of people were that Hitler and the Nazis put to death? [Insert a squirming sort of silence here] It was the mentally ill...and Downs Syndrome children. Who knows where Hitler got this idea? From the state of Ohio! Yes, that's right...Ohio and a man named Bernard Shaw. Bernard Shaw, who taught evolution. [Note to self: fact-check this. Or not. Or maybe just scream.] To this very day, nearly 98% of Downs Syndrome babies are aborted. Think about it.

And that, children of God, concluded his sermon -- Hitler, evolution, and baby-killing. It was all I could do not to walk out, and I spent the remainder of the service making sure I remembered what he'd said so I will never forget why I was gone from the Catholic Church for 20-odd years. I suppose it would be rude to hope this church will be struck by lightning and burn down, which was the fate of the last church in which I attended Mass, way back when. (This would be the same mass during which [livejournal.com profile] agrnmn were married. We both share some pride about that, even after the marriage ended.)

Now, it's possible that there are Catholic churches and priests who do not share those beliefs quite so rabidly. I have fond memories of some of those parish priests, and if yesterday's priest had been more like them, then I could very well have found some comfort in letting the old prayers wash over me. But this guy is the only priest in town, at the only Catholic parish in town. Gaia Community feels so far away, both physically and metaphorically, and there is no other UU church close enough to be "local." And the Grove is gone. Feeling very lonely right now. I think I'd really hoped to like it there. FUCK.

Date: 2010-08-22 06:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fionnabhar.livejournal.com
It's always the "Almighty Father" that triggers me. Unfortunately, it comes pretty early in the proceedings. Your guy there, regardless of topic and tone, is a lousy preacher all around, and that was not a sermon. I've been to sermonizing class, so I know these things. Heh-heh. Of course, in Catholic seminaries, they're more about the priest thing than the preacher thing.

I feel ya, babe. I really do.

We could be solitaries together once in a while. That Mabon is the next one up is all kinds of ironically hilarious. :-)

Date: 2010-08-22 06:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tryst-inn.livejournal.com
Sounds more like George Bernard Shaw and his Eugenics writings, frankly.

Have you considered the Episcopalian church? All the lovely trappings and such, none of this sort of political agenda.

Date: 2010-08-22 07:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] saffronhare.livejournal.com
You know, [livejournal.com profile] diermuid suggested Lutheran for similar reasons. I'm not sure why it seemed natural for me to go from Irish Catholic to pagan, or even from Catholic to humanist, but Catholic to Protestant seems RIGHT OUT. Makes no sense. :)

Date: 2010-08-22 07:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fionnabhar.livejournal.com
Make sure it's an ELCA church. Mo Synod will NOT be your cup of tea. I'll pull up a list of what's nearby and see if I remember anybody.

Date: 2010-08-22 07:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tryst-inn.livejournal.com
I was pretty fond of the Unity Church for awhile, even though I'm Jewish. ;)

Not a lot of the pomp and pagentry, though. Great meditations, though.

Date: 2010-08-22 07:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fionnabhar.livejournal.com
http://www.stmarksolathe.org/

St. Mark's Olathe. I remember its being a good place. It's the oldest ELCA church in Olathe. I do not know the pastor.

http://www.adventolathe.org/

This congregation was in mission status when we left the area in 1991, so I think of it as the "new" church. I remember that I really liked Roger and Susan. They were very supportive to David when our congregation jumped the shark on us.

Date: 2010-08-22 07:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] saffronhare.livejournal.com
Thanks...I appreciate the extra insight. Still sort of boggling from last night. :)

Date: 2010-08-22 08:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daisydumont.livejournal.com
i'd second the suggestion of the episcopal church, but even there, you might need to be careful of the political slant of the priest.

there are two RC parishes in town. one has a liberal jesuit who comes out from CUA on weekends to say mass and hear confession. i loved talking to him. the other? what the magisterium says goes. i couldn't hack it there.

"All of the ceremony, half the guilt."

Date: 2010-08-23 02:22 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] triadruid.livejournal.com
This. (Saff probably remembers that I used to be Episcopalian) EpiscoAnglicans are hardly protestant at all, we just wanted divorces to be legal. ;)

Though in fairness, I once walked into a Lutheran service by accident (on base, everybody uses the same church building) and didn't notice the difference until halfway through. No idea which synod it was...

Re: "All of the ceremony, half the guilt."

Date: 2010-08-23 03:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zylch.livejournal.com
Divorces for those who want them, and marriages for those who want them!

(which is to say, if you do decide to swing by an Episcopal Church, you might want to check their website for the parish's position on the gay marriage and bishop consecration controversies. People have been switching their attendance to congregations that match their own position, so it's become rather polarized.)

Re: "All of the ceremony, half the guilt."

Date: 2010-08-23 08:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] saffronhare.livejournal.com
"hardly protestant at all"

That's hilarious. :) I'm not really waffling on the paganism; just sort of feeling a pull toward something community-based. As in "this community, where I live." :: shrug :: We'll see.

Date: 2010-08-23 02:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] clevermanka.livejournal.com
Oh. My. Fucking. God.

Date: 2010-08-23 03:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] calizen.livejournal.com
Sorry for the experience. It's hard to have that expanded Gaia awareness and then run into -- Muggles.

Date: 2010-08-25 12:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cynthiaweb.livejournal.com
Yup, that pretty much sums up the whole problem. They can do beautiful rituals, but they always have to say something to ruin it.

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