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I'm reposting this article I just read over on [livejournal.com profile] sciencemusings. While I don't see myself returning to the practice of Catholicism, I feel a certain pride in identifying as somebody raised "Irish Catholic" instead of "Roman Catholic."

An historic moment

http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ScienceMusingsBlog/~3/l0XgOYfmcA4/historic-moment.html

I had no intention of adding to my posts of Monday and Tuesday about the Cloyne Report on sexual abuse of children in Ireland and its cover-up by Church authorities. But then something happened on Wednesday of an unprecedented nature that provokes comment.

The Irish Taoiseach (Prime Minister) Enda Kenny, in an almost empty Dail (Parliament), without prior announcement and with quiet determination, delivered a short speech that made banner headlines in the Thursday Irish press. In short, it was a declaration of independence from Rome.

It was striking for its forthrightness.

The Cloyne Report was crucial, said Kenny, "because for the first time in Ireland, a report into child sexual abuse exposes an attempt by the Holy See to frustrate an inquiry in a sovereign, democratic republic -- as little as three years ago, not three decades ago. And in doing so, the Cloyne Report excavates the dysfunction, disconnection, elitism -- the narcissism -- that dominate the culture of the Vatican to this day. The rape and torture of children were downplayed or 'managed' to uphold instead the primacy of the institution, its power, standing and reputation."

Kenny's language is unsparing, and this from a practicing Catholic who loves his church.

Ireland is not Rome, said Kenny. "Nor is it industrial school or Magdalene Ireland, where the swish of a soutane smothered conscience and humanity and the swing of a thurible ruled the Irish Catholic world."

Kenny called out the Pope by name. In his concluding remarks, he quoted Cardinal Josef Ratzinger [the current Pope Benedict}: 'Standards of conduct appropriate to civil society or the workings of a democracy cannot be purely and simply applied to the church.' Then Kenny continued: "As the Holy See prepares its considered response to the Cloynes Report, as Taoiseach, I am making it absolutely clear, that when it comes to the protection of children of this State, the standards of conduct which the church deems appropriate to itself, cannot and will not, be applied to the workings of democracy and civil society in this republic. Not purely, or simply, or otherwise."

Kenny's speech seems to be applauded by the great majority of Irish Catholics. It is deemed a watershed.

It took 400 years for Ireland to throw off British political rule. It took another century to rid itself of spiritually stultifying rule from Rome.

Date: 2011-07-22 06:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] saffronhare.livejournal.com
I know, right? Almost makes me want to call my Mom to ask if she's heard about it.

ETA: It could be very interesting to hear how the Irish bishops, the American bishops, and the Vatican respond to this.
Edited Date: 2011-07-22 06:22 pm (UTC)

Date: 2011-07-22 06:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] clevermanka.livejournal.com
If they respond, it will be interesting.

Date: 2011-07-22 06:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] saffronhare.livejournal.com
Well, if they don't respond, they'll definitely be Saying Something. Know what I mean?

Date: 2011-07-22 06:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] clevermanka.livejournal.com
Good Point.

Date: 2011-07-22 08:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] featherynscale.livejournal.com
That's amazing.

Date: 2011-07-22 08:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] saffronhare.livejournal.com
I know, right? It's kind of been under the radar so far, but I wonder what's going to happen. Maybe it's silly to think it could be the start of Good Things.

Date: 2011-07-22 08:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] calizen.livejournal.com
Wow from me too!

Date: 2011-07-22 09:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rio-luna.livejournal.com
oh fuck yes

Date: 2011-07-22 09:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] saffronhare.livejournal.com
I'm pretty sure my own crisis of faith with Catholicism, way back when, is NOTHING compared to that.

Date: 2011-07-22 09:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tryst-inn.livejournal.com
My father's family left Catholicism before they left Ireland, during my Grandmother's teen years. This makes me very proud today and I think she'd be pleased as well.

Date: 2011-07-22 11:14 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] triadruid.livejournal.com
It's like Henry VIII, only with less bastardy.

Date: 2011-07-22 11:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fionnabhar.livejournal.com
I'd say more like Martin Luther, since the break is for theological and social justice issues, rather than simply for the bastardy you mention. :-)

Date: 2011-07-23 03:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] saffronhare.livejournal.com
I kind of get goosebumps whenever I read that speech, wondering if it's going to be that big.

Date: 2011-07-23 07:45 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] triadruid.livejournal.com
Eh. I was thinking more along the lines of "likely to be a one-off, rather than start a movement". But really there are no good recent parallels... Cathars, maybe?

Date: 2011-07-23 04:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] diermuid.livejournal.com
You know, the Boy Scouts do not recognize the Unitarian faith because of it's acceptance of gays and atheists. I wonder if the Boy Scouts of America should be so eager to start the new troop up in Gardner under a Catholic banner.

You missed a really good and contentious Committee meeting this month. I suspect that as much as I try to keep things mellow, the Catholic vs Protestant thing is going to make the troop reshuffle a bit unpleasant.

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